When you felt inclination to the mother or the son and what served it? ⇐ Mother (stepmother) - son

[incest guest]

My name is Irina, and already more than three years I consist in sexual (and not only) a relationship with own son. About two and a half years ago we broke off all our contacts which there was a little, and moved to other city. The son changed the surname, and now, all our friends, acquaintances and fellow workers consider us usual couple unless with an age difference.

Of course it is possible to think that I spoil life to own son, but it is not our case (?).

I can't give him children, for various reasons, but he also doesn't want them. On it he also got divorced from the wife (it was to ours with him a relationship).

I am his mother, but I am not his "mummy". My son became independent long before growing, he was taught to it by life. He has a good work, and he can take care of himself (by the way, he doesn't provide me too. The first payment for the apartment was brought from the general means, and we pay bills in common).



We are happy, both, but something nevertheless oppresses me.

Ours with him a relationship rather unusual if it is possible to be expressed so. And I would like to understand their prime cause <.br/>
Studying works of psychology, reading and listening to stories by people which consist in a similar relationship, I understood that in our case all this doesn't approach. Maybe will approach in yours? Or you have some assumption which I didn't reach?



I love the son, above all! And therefore, I would like to find out what moves our sexual, and not only, passion? Maybe in it there is something like that that can destroy his and our lives?

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , you are frank. How old are you?

[incest guest]

Me 47


My frankness isn't groundless. How will I be able to receive answers to questions when I conceal probably necessary information? Perhaps, I will leave only our surnames and the concrete place of residence in fog. About the rest, I am ready to tell.

[incest guest]

You were lucky. Washing I didn't give me. Though I held my strut and even I took in a mouth but then a pier you pushed away my son. And then I listened as she jerks off but didn't leave. After she I left I left me. To a miracle one already let5

[incest guest]

Not each mother will be able to break this barrier, I understand her. Sometimes, also you shouldn't overcome it as it can lead to catastrophic
But nevertheless, I am very sorry, that at you nothing turned out if both of you so passionately wished it.

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] ,



Prompt...

And how you in general treat pedophilia?



For you it is norm?

Do you consider that it is enough to adult to receive the nominal consent of the child, and further intim in any his form up to sex it is already possible?



And what limits?

18 years?

16 years?

Or even 14-12?

[incest guest]

[ref] katerina68 [/ref] , I don't approve it as it contradicts full formation of the personality and our
I agree, sometimes people at more early age are much more adult than twenty and even thirty-year-old, but nevertheless, the person needs will of the full and conscious choice which comes (the truth not always) with


My son, at the time of ours with him the first sexual proximity, was 21 years old. And therefore, I don't worry at all that I could seduce him.

[incest guest]

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11586 time=1667656669 user_id=2632]
I don't approve it as it contradicts full formation of the personality and our legislation.
[/quote]

Well...



We go further...



Do you understand that it "a social role / roles"?

And the fact that in this case despite age 47/21 you in fact completely pull down norms/borders the mother/son and you substitute it on the woman/man?



It no offense or
Whether as you understand it that both for you and for your son you transfer an incest from category of one of the most rigid taboos to norm.

[incest guest]

[ref] katerina68 [/ref] , of course I understand though it is quite possible, it can seem or be accepted not so. I think, in this question, depending on a situation, opinions will cardinally differ.



Personally from my point of view, as well as from my son, we didn't lose social roles of mother and son at all. Even in spite of the fact that he got into the knickers to me, I nevertheless remain his mother, and he, still continues to be my son. We lost these roles only in society, but not houses. Ours with it a sexual relationship didn't influence me as on the parent in any way, and on him as on my


If to sort questions of the bans and a taboo, then in this case, they are rather indistinct. When do two persons, being fully aware what they go voluntarily on, make a certain ban which is tabooed only by opinion of society - unless it is the ban?

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] ,



Everyday and women's and maternal


Would you like that your son had the family?

That someone will be near... the
You have to understand that you for him can't play a role of the


These are banal
You will grow old at that time when he is still a man and still even not aged/>
And sorry... you will die... it is a lot of before him...

[incest guest]

[ref] katerina68 [/ref] , I would like that my son was happy, and it depends only on his views and
I won't begin to impose to him to get the young wife who will present to him the child. I not from those women that each joint tea drinking begins a conversation about grandsons because it is so necessary (or instinctively).

He made the choice concerning children and I accepted him without any regrets. If in a couple of years he changes the mind then I will support him too and I won't begin to hold a death grip


By the way, apropos "dead". Of course, I thought of it, reflected much, and even talked about it to the son. And then I came to a conclusion that I can't choose for it. It is happy, and it for me the most important.

And when I won't become, he still will be at that age to find someone someone will be near (I speak of course in images, but I think, my thought is quite clear).

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] ,


[quote=BlackFox post_id=11561 time=1667554120 user_id=2632]
Studying works of psychology, reading and listening to stories by people which consist in a similar relationship, I understood that in our case all this doesn't approach. Maybe will approach in yours? Or you have some assumption which I didn't reach?
[/quote]

Well whereas at least... if he has the family and the
You the actions already resolved that and approved to him to involve the children in sexual the
Principle of case law... time it is possible for mother... time with mother it is possible for me... that and with my child is possible for me...



And time you for it already removed a taboo on a
That yes... to him 21... but the idea that something is impossible already means to him not much.

From here and the fact that he can move
Not necessarily, but it is already much more probable.



In principle in psychology it is. Had to come across.

But there can be you and didn't allocate for yourself this thought.

[incest guest]

[ref] katerina68 [/ref] , and it will be their
I don't know as our lives in years, months, weeks or even days will turn. But I am sure of some things precisely - my son will never make something that will go against the will of other person, especially, of the child. As well as it is sure that he won't begin to move limits of age and consent. In this question he is also categorical, as well as I.

[incest guest]

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11600 time=1667662044 user_id=2632]
[ref] katerina68 [/ref] , and it will be their
I don't know as our lives in years, months, weeks or even days will turn. But I am sure of some things precisely - my son will never make something that will go against the will of other person, especially, of the child. As well as it is sure that he won't begin to move limits of age and consent. In this question he is also categorical, as well as I.
[/quote] hi. I seem to me I know what oppresses you. That the son with you but not with other girl. We want to see sons with wives and their children

[incest guest]

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11600 time=1667662044 user_id=2632]
and it will be their right.
[/quote]
[quote=BlackFox post_id=11586 time=1667656669 user_id=2632]
I don't approve it as it contradicts full formation of the personality and our legislation.
[/quote]

Well... If the fact that the age of the child for your son can appear isn't essential to you it isn't important... that probably
Though, it seems, you wrote that you don't approve similar.



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[quote=BlackFox post_id=11600 time=1667662044 user_id=2632]
I don't know as our lives in years, months, weeks or even days will turn. But I am sure of some things precisely - my son will never make something that will go against the will of other person, especially, of the child. As well as it is sure that he won't begin to move limits of age and consent. In this question he is also categorical, as well as I.
[/quote]

I think if someone told you that you will sleep with the son when to him was well year two...

You would a little get angry/took offence/were offended...



So confidence not a


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And the fact that you wrote that your son is free in the choice... you or another...

It not absolutely so...



You can think that you and your son in a certain plan accomplices/accomplices in the committed crime. It about borders and a taboo on a relationship between mother and the son. And besides from psychology to the person who committed serious crime it is quite frequent there is nobody to talk about the event besides someone was near/>
And it will attach without volition your son to you by the principle you him you understand him you don't condemn.



As well as that his relation / perception you as
Him will oblige to live with you.



And that to the son... not only to yours... it is quite hard to make the decision to build the life and to leave mother one... for it it looks somehow that "I live itself and you cope itself"



So...

You want that or not...

You realize or not... But he isn't free in the choice.

[incest guest]

[ref] vika57SonLybly [/ref] ,
No, it isn't it.



Incest of the relation are non-standard, and can be subconscious.

For example, when the son doesn't want to become independent, and it is very convenient to him when all pleasures him life at him near by. Mother to him will prepare to eat, will wash, will earn money and will buy him something, and at night, will move apart for him legs or will suck off to him. Very conveniently and the roof over the head always is.

Such relationship in any couples can't be begun, otherwise, the son will turn into the selfish consumer who is living off the mother and living at her under a skirt, in every sense.



Or, when mother doesn't want to release the child. She so is attached to him that any his darling subconsciously seems to her the competitor. She does everything possible that her son remained near her, and at some point decides that she can give him everything, but except one. And here, her son appears in her bed, deceived by the fact that any woman in the world won't be able will take care of him as it will be made by it. She is liberated in the sexual plan so as far as she wouldn't afford with one other man because she is afraid that she to the son can be a little, and he will begin to look for it somewhere else.

And he is happy, here only this choice was imposed to him, and sooner or later, he can realize it and regret about the lost time and the missed


In a case, our with the son, all this doesn't approach, as well as other examples about which I know don't approach. It is quite possible that we and don't have it, but nevertheless, I want to understand the prime cause of our desires. Suddenly in them nevertheless there is something subconscious, and is possible, we need to deal with it.



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[quote=katerina68 post_id=11605 time=1667663822 user_id=171]
Well... If the fact that the age of the child for your son can appear isn't essential to you it isn't important... that probably
Though, it seems, you wrote that you don't approve similar.
[/quote]

You misunderstood me, or I said not as wanted.

I meant that it will be their right when two of them are able fully to be responsible for the acts. That is, having reached age of majority.


[quote=katerina68 post_id=11605 time=1667663822 user_id=171]
I think if someone told you that you will sleep with the son when to him was well year two...

You would a little get angry/took offence/were offended...



So confidence not a guarantee.
[/quote]

It is absolutely other case. I became interested in the son as the man when he was 21 years old. Be at me at that time present outlook, I didn't begin to offend, as well as wouldn't begin to think of it in the sexual plan to his majority. And only after that, if I learned about his interest me as the woman, only then I would think of it, taking a set of other nuances in attention.


[quote=katerina68 post_id=11605 time=1667663822 user_id=171]
As well as that his relation / perception you as
Him will oblige to live with you.



And that to the son... not only to yours... it is quite hard to make the decision to build the life and to leave mother one... for it it looks somehow that "I live itself and you cope itself"



So...

You want that or not...

You realize or not... But he isn't free in the choice.
[/quote]

I already wrote that he was married. What follows from that he left me, and we perfectly coped with it. He was happy with the wife, and I was happy that he has the family.

At them it didn't turn out, so happens, and at that time, about ours with him more close relations there was no speech also.

[incest guest]

in 10 years began to attract me to mother. after saw her sex. and in general began related to excite all.

at first it were uncertain vague desires. and in 12 already absolutely certain desires were created. when I already began to cum with a cum.

[incest guest]

in 12 years when saw mother naked in a bathtub

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , I understood your thought. On the example I will tell. I decided to help the so to speak with sexual education. Especially they have at early age a hyper sexuality. Also I tried to maintain such relations. Not to attach to itself in respect of sex at all

[incest guest]

[ref] the strange son [/ref] , you aren't lonely at the beginning. A huge number of guys, at early age having found the mother in a bed with the man, begin to test to her sexual
I even had a question on this soil - and whether there were such someone didn't attach it any significance? I saw mother when she has sex, and in his life nothing changed.



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[ref] serov678 [/ref] , your case is very popular in beginning circles an incest desires.

I assume that now though your most important sexual an object your mother, you like women similar to her. Age, a figure, possible other intimate details, like a big breast or a
And it is possible, all differently, and the similarity with your mother isn't obligatory in your imaginations at all.

[incest guest]

[ref] vika57SonLybly [/ref] , you want him to train in all delights of intimate pleasures, having passed on him the sexual experience, or you are afraid that his hyper sexuality can do troubles, and let he will be more best to learn intimate life of the house, with you, than it is unknown where and it is unknown with someone?

[incest guest]

an interesting story, it was curious to esteem, it is similar to real, I hope the topic starter the real woman

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , you as decided on sex. Someone began to decline the first to intim?

[incest guest]

[ref] strannik [/ref] , since the birth to this day.



I understand your mistrust. Not only here, but also everywhere there are a lot of stories which raise a set of questions, main of which - who exactly wrote them? Though in most cases, these questions superfluous.

[incest guest]

I agree, but this forum represents an abrupt concentrate of similar stories, fiction of many з them gives a syllable - or excessively primitive, or on the contrary, excessively elaborate. Therefore wrote that on my feelings everything that is similar to reality here, some share of scepticism all the same will remain, such is the person in fact :)

[incest guest]

With Serega9 [/ref] , in our case, is heavy to answer [ref] who exactly began it the first - I or the son. Though, the first step was nevertheless for me.



My son fell in love with me as the woman, and I learned about it. Long reflecting on this subject, I came to a conclusion that it is only sex and genitals, nothing more.

At that time, I treated sex a little cynically, and was completely frigid. I wasn't interested in a sexual relationship and men, got used to live alone.

In one of evenings, I decided that my son has to be happy and if I spread for him legs, from me nothing will decrease.

He was shocked when I told him that I know about his desires and is ready to divide with him a bed. At some point I even thought that I in vain began this conversation. My son didn't react in any way, was in confusion and to him it was awkward. I was frightened that now ours with him a relationship will change and I can forever lose him, and then he decided.



My frigidity evaporated, hardly he should have learned my body. I will never forget those emotions which I experienced that night! We with the son broke off certain sides, and were lost in these


For the morning I understood that I began to love the son even more if it in general was possible, and now, also I love him as the
Improbable excitement from incest communication of mother and the son of which I at all never thought was added to this feeling.



And now, I became such. I love the son as well as all mothers, I love him as the man, and I should think only that the son with mother divide one bed - I begin to become excited madly!

[incest guest]

Strannik [/ref] , of course, I understand [ref] . This quite adequate human feeling. What I wouldn't tell, all this is kind of beautiful I didn't describe, it only words. Your scepticism is justified, and I have no offenses at all.

[incest guest]

I also didn't want to offend you at all, by no means, I showed to you the admiration of your courage :good:

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] And how you learned that the son loves you as the woman? The first sex was right after the conversation or there passed some time? And how it after all was solved on it?

[incest guest]

[ref] strannik [/ref] ,
Very pleasant, when you are considered courageous, but not the pervert who tempted the son and takes away from him


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[ref] to Vlad1994 of [/ref] , me was told about it by my friend who slept with the son too (at that time, I already knew about it). She suggested me not to miss such chance and to feel these


Her son accidentally came across materials a sozherzhaniye incest which he found in the laptop of my son. Having been delighted that his best friend shares his sympathies and passions, he accurately at first talked to him on this subject, and then to the


We for the first time overslept at once after that conversation. My son just needed a little time to digest


How it was solved on it? I think, about it it is necessary to ask it. But as I always considered, it just accepted it and safely decided to go all the way.

[incest guest]

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11610 time=1667674787 user_id=2632]
You misunderstood me, or I said not as wanted.

I meant that it will be their right when two of them are able fully to be responsible for the acts. That is, having reached age of majority.
[/quote]

I correctly understood everything … You don't read …

The sense is that time you allowed yourself and him to step through an incest taboo. That for him thereby you depreciated the idea of admissible age and consent per se. And your confidence in what he so will make is a
It is elementary

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11610 time=1667674787 user_id=2632]
It is absolutely other case. I became interested in the son as the man when he was 21 years old. Be at me at that time present outlook, I didn't begin to offend, as well as wouldn't begin to think of it in the sexual plan to his majority. And only after that, if I learned about his interest me as the woman, only then I would think of it, taking a set of other nuances in attention.
[/quote]

It about
Once you you also didn't think of similar / didn't think, but as a result made...

Now you are sure that he won't step through any
Except the words " I am sure " there are some guarantees?

Confidence not a


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[quote=BlackFox post_id=11610 time=1667674787 user_id=2632]
I already wrote that he was married. What follows from that he left me, and we perfectly coped with it. He was happy with the wife, and I was happy that he has the family. At them it didn't turn out, so happens, and at that time, about ours with him more close relations there was no speech also.
[/quote]

Do you equal conditions when between you nothing was and when between you sex and a relationship appeared?



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[quote=BlackFox post_id=11633 time=1667724556 user_id=2632]
I understand your mistrust. Not only here, but also everywhere there are a lot of stories which raise a set of questions, main of which - who exactly wrote them? Though in most cases, these questions superfluous.
[/quote]

For you the value of outright lies and imagination at the level of a porn of stories... it is equal to real stories?

And questions concerning that someone writes it the liar or the real person, and respectively the truth it or the frank nonsense is excessive?



Originally...

Really...

Why to know the truth when there is an imagination...

[incest guest]

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11653 time=1667735058 user_id=171]
I correctly understood everything … You don't read …

The sense is that time you allowed yourself and him to step through an incest taboo. That for him thereby you depreciated the idea of admissible age and consent per se. And your confidence in what he so will make is a
It is elementary psychology.
[/quote]

That is, in your understanding if we break one ban, then others automatically don't take place to be?

Curiously.


[quote=katerina68 post_id=11653 time=1667735058 user_id=171]
It about
Once you you also didn't think of similar / didn't think, but as a result made...

Now you are sure that he won't step through any
Except the words " I am sure " there are some guarantees?

Confidence not a guarantee
[/quote]

In my case guarantee. I don't even know that my son can change so that will even think of similar.

Though he also stepped through an incest taboo, him it "is impossible" and "льзя" remained the same.


[quote=katerina68 post_id=11653 time=1667735058 user_id=171]
You equal conditions when between you nothing was and when between you sex and a relationship appeared
[/quote]

Yes, I level. He already "left" both mother and the wife, he in it has an experience.


[quote=katerina68 post_id=11653 time=1667735058 user_id=171]
For you the value of outright lies and imagination at the level of a porn of stories... it is equal to real stories?

And questions concerning that someone writes it the liar or the real person, and respectively the truth it or the frank nonsense is excessive?



Originally...

Really...

Why to know the truth when there is an imagination...
[/quote]

I meant that questions are excessive because and without questions clear that this outright






Don't treat a word to please to the judgments, such people and so more than are enough, and not only in this subject, and in all out of this forum.

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , Katerina68, you masked and you give yourself for BlackFox? The syllable and a manner of communication, seem to me, are very similar. Yes? I guessed?

[incest guest]

[quote= Vlad1994 post_id=11659 time=1667754757 user_id=462]
[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , Katerina68, you masked and you give yourself for BlackFox? The syllable and a manner of communication, seem to me, are very similar. Yes? I guessed?
[/quote] In a point) communicates with itself, the mental disorder is available.

[incest guest]

[ref] Vlad1994 of [/ref] , didn't think that it is possible to call us similar.

We with Katerinoy68 two absolutely different persons. And it seems to me how many we wouldn't discuss, we won't come to something to the general, and we will agree everyone to differ/>


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[ref] Gricha [/ref] , on the person to me to liking other completion of process. :oops:

[incest guest]

As wrote what is possible will switch, or just to perceive, for example the brother sister and the sister and the wife and it is normal, nobody denies that the
As well mother though doesn't exclude that can be perceived really and it is correct that they are relatives, nobody will change and someone just

gets, as call in a bed, not by name, and mother, or the son take me.



Here when I met the colleague when not some, switched, we are colleagues, the girlfriend played more better that we have labor relations and everything,

plus somewhere for her I the son was, on age and in real that is where a difference of 15 and more years, almost mother and the son, also friends were and also
And it is possible different to have relations and in parallel doesn't disturb.

Besides I of course didn't ask, and I for you the son somewhere, isn't excluded,

that brought her that pseudo a


About the relationship I don't remember, I remember somehow lived without father and I began to look as on the girl, it was pleasant later that she in stockings, I found somehow

house condoms, I remember at the dacha, I undressed, but the grandmother told turn away, after in the south, I took off a brassiere, but I saw later that

I look, somehow in the same place noted, thought will come and I will try can a kiss, but fell asleep, then was like nobody at her and it is a pity it didn't turn out,

[incest guest]

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11654 time=1667736773 user_id=2632]
That is, in your understanding if we break one ban, then others automatically don't take place to be?

Curiously.
[/quote]

You rewrite my
I wrote that they aren't so significant, but not "don't take place to be".



And it not my
It is


If it is possible to transfer one of the strongest restrictions to the category "and it is normal".

The others aren't so significant as earlier.

I emphasize... lose a part of force, not as you wrote "don't take place to be".



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[quote=BlackFox post_id=11654 time=1667736773 user_id=2632]
In my case guarantee. I don't even know that my son can change so that will even think of similar.

Though he also stepped through an incest taboo, him it "is impossible" and "льзя" remained the same.
[/quote]

Do you guarantee than?

Words " I know "?



And the fact that the psychology approves the return probably not an argument for the words " I know ".



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[quote=BlackFox post_id=11654 time=1667736773 user_id=2632]
Yes, I level. He already "left" both mother and the wife, he in it has an experience.
[/quote]

Well...

Conditions are identical...



What to leave just mother and to live with someone...

That to leave mother + the woman + the mistress + also


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[quote= Vlad1994 post_id=11659 time=1667754757 user_id=462]
BlackFox, Katerina68, you masked and you give yourself for BlackFox? The syllable and a manner of communication, seem to me, are very similar. Yes? I guessed?
[/quote]

I am afraid to upset, but isn't present. [ref] BlackFox [/ref] , not mine
Within the forum I quite have those someone comes.



And there isn't a lot of free time that... to compose...

And when nevertheless is, I will give him to the work in respect of the


But the history [ref] BlackFox [/ref] , becomes everything... more entertainingly...

[incest guest]

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11674 time=1667807886 user_id=171]
And the fact that the psychology approves the return probably not an argument for the words " I know "
[/quote]

Time you are grounded in this case, have to know that psychology psychology discord. I don't know whether there were in the world psychologists who completely agreed in opinion. And therefore, it is only possible to assume and be convinced for a certain number of percent.

[incest guest]

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11689 time=1667834134 user_id=2632]
I don't know whether there were in the world psychologists who completely agreed in opinion.
[/quote]
"Ask two psychologists, receive three different opinions. And if one of them graduated from Harvard, then four."

[incest guest]

[ref] Polosaty_Kot [/ref] .

[incest guest]

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11689 time=1667834134 user_id=2632]
And therefore, it is only possible to assume and be convinced for a certain number of percent.
[/quote]
Here and I about the same...

Confidence not 100%aya guarantee.

[incest guest]

The mentality can turn also a positive side and even concerning health, sex cures even an ankolgiya and soul. Maybe I bent not clear for many readers, it is a lot of personal emotions, on this subject, but from an orgasm, joy, and happiness nothing bad will occur, the main thing not to submit the relationship on for display, you love and be loved and time will show.



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I will try briefly. At me was not long in due time [url=viewtopic.php? t=385] sex with mother. [/url] It very much helped me. I very much am grateful to her...... Now. To the son 13. 3 years of fight against a neuroblastoma. Now 2 years remission. We with pleasure observed with the wife on a morning stoyachok. 2 times I found it behind viewing of a porno, didn't abuse and on the contrary he calmed it was very much frightened. I think I frigged. Jeunet didn't speak. I promised that it is a secret. The notion of compulsion that sex cures, I want to bring to sex with the son the wife. I told her a story about the (allegedly) former acquaintance, later about a dream where she has sex with the son, palmed off article about healing by sex, but a bestolka. Even on the contrary, I heard so much...... To those. To talk on a straight line not option. At the beginning of me it didn't get, at first there was an idea, then fight against themselves in respect of jealousy and huge desire to help the son, I believe what will help him. and now released and even excites. In total like I I am sick too.

[incest guest]

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11641 time=1667726612 user_id=2632]
My frigidity evaporated, hardly he should have learned my body. I will never forget those emotions which I experienced that night! We with the son broke off certain sides, and were lost in these feelings.
[/quote] BlackFox, That someone didn't test it when doesn't understand you.

Pay attention to Katerinu68, she spurs maxims as on a
At the same time doesn't remember - doesn't understand, or doesn't wish to remember-understand that all restrictions for an incest are introduced not by the nature and
And historically not long ago.

I am sure as you had men, and your son had women, but you can't compare sex to anybody of them with sex with дург the friend.

[incest guest]

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11570 time=1667602322 user_id=2632]
About the rest, I am ready to tell
[/quote]

Do you have a taboo with it in intim? How often you are engaged? You are protected? Hesitated?

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] ,



Yes...

Entirely and completely I recognize the words [ref] [/ref] ,



In questions of an incest and pedophilia he is a
As I began to attract own daughter from 11 years to a sexual relationship. I showed her the men's


And somewhere between 11 and 12 I showed to the baby what is sex alive.

I invited the prostitute and I fucked with her in the face of the child... probably that the girl got used...



And with 13 already I fucked the

[quote=MGK post_id=7964 time=1660732133 user_id=1477]
When the daughter was about 11 years old noticed that she began to spy, began to create situations when it was convenient to it to see everything.

Plus began to undress to a goal when I bathed her.

Where in half a year she exorcized that to me, began to ask as as, then I caused one of the constant whores and for surcharge fucked her at the daughter what that, so to speak close up saw everything.

When next day I bathed the daughter she took me for a dick a hand and began to jerk off, then licked.

After that I suggested to go to a bed and licked it.

From this day we began to have oral sex nearly an every day, in 12 at her began monthly and it began to ask
Send to the doctor to her picked up tablets under a pretext strong menstrual pains, contraceptive tablets kill these pains so it didn't cause suspicion.

And in 13 years she told that or I will begin to have with her sex, or will give somebody, then I э also tore the virgin.

Stekh of a time we seksitsya regularly.
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[quote=MGK post_id=11714 time=1667861376 user_id=1477]
Pay attention to Katerinu68, she spurs maxims as on a
At the same time doesn't remember - doesn't understand, or doesn't wish to remember-understand that all restrictions for an incest are introduced not by the nature and
And historically not long ago.
[/quote]

And I recognize it...

Entirely and completely...

I don't understand as it is possible to stack children in a bed...

For me nevertheless there are borders and inviolability of the


And for [ref] [/ref] to have sex with children... it is
And it isn't important that his own daughter 13 years were... he already with 11 began to train her for "special love of the father".



But besides
It is a pity but such people nevertheless meet in






Though I understand that for you it is not
I asked and you answered that not a supporter of similar...
Just in my opinion support from the fan of juvenile children will be not really pleasant to you...

[incest guest]

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , don't listen to anybody... do as you consider correct. but not вовред surrounding

[incest guest]

the interesting story a .prodolzheniye will be??

[incest guest]

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11718 time=1667888320 user_id=171]
Though I understand that for you it is not
I speshivat and you answered that not a supporter of similar...
Just in my opinion support from the fan of juvenile children will be not really pleasant to you.
[/quote] And is known to you that in modern Russia it is possible to marry legally in 14 years?

https://........./social/2015/10/23/zhenitba-v-14-let-rossiyskie-regiony-odobryayut.html

In the link replace dots with the website of Moskovsky Komsomolets mk.py with Latin

[incest guest]

[quote=MGK post_id=11728 time=1667902050 user_id=1477]
And you know that in modern Russia it is possible to marry legally in 14 years?

https://........./social/2015/10/23/zhenitba-v-14-let-rossiyskie-regiony-odobryayut.html

In the link replace dots with the website of Moskovsky Komsomolets mk.py with Latin
[/quote]

Probably on the words " as an exceptional case to marry to children from 14 to 18 years " it be not necessary to turn


As well as that if to read the law and law enforcement, that is nuance, unpleasant for you...

It is possible for Braque... and here sex to 16 all the same is impossible...

Well it of course should be read... dropped down for you also
And yes to read the law, but not article... and the law nevertheless is higher than article in the


Yes from the same article "three quarters of extra-early marriages break up to a line"...

Too probably it isn't so important as the


https://www.mk.ru/social/2015/10/23/zhenitba-v-14-let-rossiyskie-regiony-odobryayut.html




Already 26 regions of the country allowed to marry [spoiler= Article] as an exceptional case to children from 14 to 18 years – the Arkhangelsk region leading by the number of children's pregnancies among girls of 14-15 years became the last it. Earlier this region tried to cover a sin with change of the federal legislation, and suggested to lower officially age of consent countrywide. So far residents of Arkhangelsk weren't supported, but not stopped trying.



The law in Russia designated age of consent of 18 years – same he (or even above) in the majority of the developed countries of the world. However, Article 13 of our Family code allows decrease in age of consent by local governments up to 16 years for good reasons – among them there are pregnancy, departure abroad, military service, etc. However in some regions of the country it is already possible to marry also from 14 years – there local authorities, exercising the right, adopted the laws allowing to consider a question individually at the top level (personally the governor) and to authorize a children's wedding. 14-year-old grooms and brides can undersign not only for such regions as Chechnya and Adygea, but also for the Moscow region, Vologda, Kaluga, Tyumen, etc. Periodically this or that region suggests to nominate a problem to federal level and to officially reduce age of consent in the Russian Federation – at first up to 16 years, and there – as will go …



Anyway, young Romeo and Juliette who began to live family life are a lot of:in 2014, for example, Rosstat counted about one thousand newlyweds among young men and several times more among


The chief of staff of the Duma CPRF faction Nina Ostanina says that he doesn't support decrease in age of consent, but offers nevertheless age at which the governor of the region can personally resolve a wedding, having penetrated into a situation individually, to lower up to 14 years:



- I am one of coauthors of the amendment to the Family code which the Duma approved, but didn't support the Federation Council. I emphasize that I don't support early marriages, but I don't see sense to suppress a problem, to produce lonely mothers, to destroy the loving couples, sending the young man of the girl who expects a baby, in prison for pedophilia … Thousands of marriages where any of couple has age up to 18 years, are registered annually!



But the member of the committee of the Federation Council on social policy, the chairman of the All-Russian social movement Mothers of Russia Valentina Petrenko categorically minds any attempts to hand over positions:



- Three quarters of extra-early marriages break up, and successful childbirth in 14-15 years – not criterion! Early sex life and the birth of the child lead to hormonal treatment in 30 years, to fast aging in 40 years … An incident in Krasnoyarsk where the young man of 22 years went to prison for pedophilia was recently violently discussed, and his 14-year-old girlfriend remained with the child – all felt sorry for couple and the young man, but really he didn't understand that he has sex with the 13-year-old child?!



- I don't understand why in a number of regions inflate this problem, – the chief physician of policlinic No. 220 and the deputy of the Moscow City Duma Vera Shastina considers. - Optimum age for marriage – what is optimum for the first pregnancy – from 20 to 30 years. And it is very bad when hormonal maturing advances personal development. I mind in general any stir of this subject – it isn't necessary to dement youth, speaking about figure 14 of years which they will apprehend taken out of a context! Legislators, touching upon this subject, give a false message to young people that they are ready to meet requirements of them and generate unhealthy surge in sexual activity! [/spoiler]

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Though for you even this article not strongly will help...



You began to accustom the daughter from 11 years to the men's advantage...

Real... Loving... father...

[incest guest]

it is good that you consist in a relationship with the son)