An anonymous forum about the problem of incest

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I have not had the opportunity to carry out incest, not for lack of desire.

[ref] olesya [/ref] , I thought of it, the truth slightly in other
Usually, it can occur at early age. Someone sees an event which influences his mentality, and the person changes.
Whether here the fact that I found the girlfriend with her son only changed me?

As I already spoke, I was completely frigid before the first sex with the son, and began to derive from it pleasure already during sex. Whether I wanted him before and extinguished these thoughts in myself? I think, no.

Also, I had a thought of protective reaction of mentality - for me it was so strange when we for the first time overslept with the son that consciousness was reconstructed and began to derive from it pleasure not to collapse. But I already faced this "strangeness", and digested it so that didn't think of it. I even accepted it. Especially, somehow very quickly the mind reacted.

With the son too everything isn't simple.
He never held my skirt and always was independent.
He couldn't see my sex with someone because in my life there were only two men, and the first was dissolved in fog, having hardly learned about his

Also, I had an idea of "the first orgasm". That I concentrated attention on the son as never I knew good lovers, and now in every way I want to keep for him, just for the hell of it.
Then and here incest? In this case, this subject so wouldn't excite me, and only my son as the good lover would excite, no more.
Or, in we wash consciousness there would be something like false replacement as it happens at many young men. That all mature women are skilled and will teach delights of sex. Only in my case on the contrary. And time I give myself in it the report, it means too not my case. Whether Podsoznatelen he? Then besides and here incest?

I have many questions, there are only no answers to them.

Thanks for such developed answer. Irina I so understood that your girlfriend gave to you an impetus for development of your relationship with the son. Can at you earlier and there were similar thoughts of proximity with the son but you kind of extinguished them in yourself. And as speak a picture is worth a thousand words... did you see further vulgarly?

[ref] Creative [/ref] , usual, oral, anal. And I can't tell that it is pleasant to me more and that it is less. From all this I take a great pleasure. A certain moment and mood is simply necessary.

We together show an initiative. Probably it is slightly more for my part, or him, I didn't consider. But as it seems to me, we in it have no winner or the loser.

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] ,

In what forms of sex you are engaged with the son? Someone usually shows an initiative?

[ref] olesya [/ref] , now in my life only one sexual partner. But it now.
With the woman about whom I told we never were alone, in the sexual plan. With us always I was my
And advancing yours, or probably someone's questions - he slept with her too, but not just watched us, though it was. As well as to him, me, and her, it was pleasant to observe from outside. Though there was never it that though someone from us just looked behind process from beginning to end. We always were together unless for a couple of minutes gave themselves the chance to admire.

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[ref] Dmanson [/ref] , I hear about such feeling of inclination for the first time.
In my case it doesn't approach again, but thanks for your

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Of [ref] Vlad1994 of [/ref] , I am afraid, my answer will arouse at you even more mistrust to me.
At that moment, my son was married, and I temporarily lived at the girlfriend.
In some of days, I woke up at night and went to the bathroom. Having noticed the unclear movement in kitchen, and not at once having realized half asleep that there occurs, my curiosity got the best and I went there. What I saw there imprinted in we wash consciousness so that I remember all this in the smallest details. At that moment, differently also couldn't be, for me such relationship was, to put it mildly, unusual.
The son of my friend stood to me a back and was keen so that he didn't notice anything around. And the girlfriend noticed me. And what will be stranger for many (as well as for me at that moment), didn't stop all this, and on the contrary, continued with even big enthusiasm.

I ran away. Quickly and in the middle of night.
I didn't know what in such cases needs to be thought and done.

Through some time when I lived in the apartment already again, my friend came to me and wanted to talk.
It is worth mentioning that it was the only thing and the loved one in my life (apart from the son). Without it we wouldn't survive.
Of course, I let her in the house, and she told me the story.
That their sexual relationship proceeds not the first year. She doesn't hold it, isn't jealous, and they give each other pleasure rather, than are couple.
I strongly didn't press in their relationship after that, but each of them had other sexual partners and life out of this family.
I think if her son could marry now, they all the same would continue to sleep with each other as it was for them something like that that brings the most improbable feelings and emotions. In it I understand them, but I any more never learn it.
Her main argument - we do to nobody to these harm.

Even despite my certain cynicism and immense love to the girlfriend, I nevertheless needed time to accept all this. Though, I seem to me nevertheless quickly it I accepted, and my friend, having adequately apprehended my feelings, didn't hurry and didn't press on me with it.

I will tell frankly, I felt awkward in their society, and ours with her a relationship became slightly others, but time cured me, a relationship returned into place, and I stopped on a thought - that it only their

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[ref] Serko3105 [/ref] , I understand your mother. I think, practically all mothers will understand her.
And still, I understand your feelings from sex with her.

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11776 time=1667988908 user_id=2632]
Serko3105, I hope, with your son everything will be good!

How at you with mother did a relationship begin? What on it pushed you and as you decided on it?
[/quote] I already wrote in other branch earlier. After army it happened. The father died, Deushka threw, went crazy, in the village at that time you won't clear up, mother cried in a pillow. I lay down nearby to calm, and occurred further that occurred.

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Every time after sex, I will tell more, aboldenny, strengthened by understanding that we tear all moral standards, mother blamed herself, wanted that I had a normal family, and she thought up as me to switch. But that's another story. Not less interesting.

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , well. And how you learned that your girlfriend sleeps with the son? She told you? Also wasn't afraid to speak about it? And how you then reacted to it?

I felt inclination to the child when at me foreign person began to touch him. Also I did it openly knowing that I observe it. I stood at that moment there was such that was even sick.

and now you only with the son? or nevertheless there are other formats? probably together with the son

[ref] Vlad1994 of [/ref] , sometimes, so happens. It is called luck or good luck, at least in our with the son a

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[ref] [/ref] , I can't approve whether the incest between mother and the son or more rare than others meets more often, but if to trust statements of some psychologists and to statisticians which I came across floating around the Internet - recently incest cases between mother and the son (for various reasons) began to meet more often/>
So it is quite probable that in the nearest town, the area, or even an apartment house - some mother allows the son to get to herself into

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[ref] olesya [/ref] , each person chooses for himself someone to him to love and with someone to divide a bed. And it only his

What I am negative in respect of sex to - it is violence, lack of option, and involvement of minors. I accept the rest.

If this question is addressed personally to my interests, then I had a same-sex sexual experience which brought me improbable emotions!
Only it was not absolutely "equivalent". The woman caressed me, and here I her couldn't. So it developed that it is lovelier to me a
But she bore a grudge not. It was pleasant to her, and she didn't demand sexual reciprocity from me.

Irina and what do you think of same-sex sex?

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11718 time=1667888320 user_id=171]
Though I understand that for you it is not
I asked and you answered that not a supporter of similar...
Just in my opinion support from the fan of juvenile children will be not really pleasant to you...
[/quote]

As you noticed - I already expressed the opinion on this question. And I am not going to change him. The words "child" and "sex" shouldn't contact, even at the greatest desire of the first. What already to tell in the absence of it.

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[ref] Alabay of [/ref] , I think, quite so and it is necessary to arrive, and not only in my

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Serov678 [/ref] as I already spoke, I am ready to tell [ref] about our relationship everything that can interest someone.
What continuation interests you?

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[ref] MilfHunter [/ref] , thanks. Too it devilishly is pleasant to me!

[quote= Vlad1994 post_id=11778 time=1667991701 user_id=462]
[quote=BlackFox post_id=11649 time=1667734706 user_id=2632]
I was told about it by my friend who slept with the son too
[/quote] Well is necessary. Your son wanted you, and you just had a girlfriend who slept with the son. Well simply improbable coincidence. Oh, as conveniently.
[/quote] In general that incest mother son at all not the editor. He meets more often than other types of a
And why you are sure that among those people someone you know there are no such cases?

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11649 time=1667734706 user_id=2632]
I was told about it by my friend who slept with the son too
[/quote] Well is necessary. Your son wanted you, and you just had a girlfriend who slept with the son. Well simply improbable coincidence. Oh, as conveniently.

[ref] Serko3105 [/ref] , I hope, with your son everything will be good!

How at you with mother did a relationship begin? What on it pushed you and as you decided on it?

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[ref] [/ref] , I think, in it you're right, but I especially have nothing to compare.

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[ref] the Creative [/ref] , I am completely open with him in the sexual plan. Probably the only thing that we don't accept - it is roughness and cruelty. Though sometimes, I will be frank, under a certain mood it is pleasant to me when he during sex grabs me a tail behind and pulls.

We with the son have sex almost every day, with rare exception.

No, we aren't protected. We don't need it. When I gave birth to him, childbirth took place not so smoothly as could, and since then, I can't become pregnant any more.

I can't tell that I ever hesitated with him. When we began to divide one bed, I had absolutely other outlook. And then, I began to enjoy every moment, and to me had already no time for
He at first tested a certain awkwardness, especially when looked at me naked and after an orgasm. But it was quickly involved, and I forgot about it.

[quote=Polosaty_Kot post_id=11761 time=1667931709 user_id=2145]
[quote=katerina68 post_id=11739 time=1667908835 user_id=171]
There is some law obliging to sex in marriage?
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Well, for example, in France the refusal of one of spouses to have sex yavltsya by legal basis for a divorce. In 2020 it was confirmed with the Highest court of cassation of France.
[/quote] Too most in the Muslim countries.

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11739 time=1667908835 user_id=171]
There is some law obliging to sex in marriage?
[/quote]
Well, for example, in France the refusal of one of spouses to have sex yavltsya by legal basis for a divorce. In 2020 it was confirmed with the Highest court of cassation of France.

[quote=MGK post_id=11752 time=1667916770 user_id=1477]
Madam, you didn't try to read laws?
For obtaining permission to marriage with the minor her consent, and the consent of her parents or
And then that you so on rape plays for all the time?
You masochist?
[/quote]
I read that women dream of group and
Was, I called one on a visit, and then I admitted that thought that I will rape though itself I loved rough sex, but the truth on group I didn't untwist.
Still there was a girl, but handcuffs weren't. And not I usually was main.
And so, if the woman wants the friend, then she wants that he came from work and used her, that is he is her male, he her
About Ekaterina, I told black, and it seemed to her firm if it is not the

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[quote=MGK post_id=11757 time=1667920644 user_id=1477]
Madam, behind your flight of a thought I am not in time.
We about the Russian Federation or about the country where I live?
So here, as well as acts of the Russian Federation need of
And girl and parents or trustees.
[/quote]
About what I also said that long ago girls have sex and nobody touches them and many singers began at school, or at early age
Orbakaite, Koroleva, Na-on, Akinshina, Krasnova and ave., and someone admitted only, and schools, at us in 15 years already showed interest
and it was at
And I say that if you want, then will live together and parents of an elastic band will buy them and nobody learns before marriage.

Madam, behind your flight of a thought I am not in time.
We about the Russian Federation or about the country where I live?
So here, as well as acts of the Russian Federation need of
And girl and parents or trustees.

[quote=MGK post_id=11752 time=1667916770 user_id=1477]
For obtaining permission to marriage with the minor her consent, and the consent of her parents or trustees prebutsya.
[/quote]
Once again you change a
Now dragged in some parents and trustees about whom neither in that nor in other message and the word wasn't.
As they are connected with the fact that you write in one message that the decision of the judge it for 12
And in following the decision of the judge 14.

Madam, you didn't try to read laws?
For obtaining permission to marriage with the minor her consent, and the consent of her parents or
And then that you so on rape plays for all the time?
You masochist?

[quote=MGK post_id=11747 time=1667913296 user_id=1477]
One of the bases for decrease in age of consent in the Russian Federation is pregnancy.
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Taking into account the fact that you write about 14 letka that
I raped the
I became pregnant...
Also I submitted the application to the REGISTRY OFFICE with words about high

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[ref] [/ref] ,
How long did you leave Russia?
It is interesting to me...
It it is no secret... Truth?
And that you meanwhile didn't answer one question...

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And by the way...
When you are nervous you begin to make many mistakes...
Even in short messages... you are nervous... you hurry... you hurry...

[quote=MGK post_id=11747 time=1667913296 user_id=1477]
Madam, at you precisely in a turtle to a box all are normal?
[/quote]

"turtle"?
It is what part of a body?

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And on two three times in a row write one more and same word in one offer...

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Or you forget the words... and then it turns out that I am not able to read it...
And probably didn't even notice...

At first norm 14 and with the permission of 12...
[quote=MGK post_id=11524 time=1667474552 user_id=1477]
I live in the country where normal age of consent for girls of 14 years, and with the permission of the judge 12.
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But then hurried... or forgot
Also wrote that 14 it already with the permission of the judge...
[quote=MGK post_id=11734 time=1667907570 user_id=1477]
I wrote that the judge can, and as a rule reduces age of consent for the girl up to 14 years.
[/quote]

Madam, at you precisely in a turtle to a box all are normal?
One of the bases for decrease in age of consent in the Russian Federation is
How often at people does she come without sex?

[quote=MGK post_id=11742 time=1667909347 user_id=1477]
And there is (except as in the Muslim countries) forbidding?
[/quote]

You wrote that marriage means
On the basis of what?

Registration of marriage to sex doesn't oblige from a word absolutely.

And here the fact that in the legislation sex with the minor child to 16 years is penal... is...
And if... as you like to speak to me... you will read nuances of this law and early
And also law enforcement

That
Can register and it is possible...
But sex in this case all the same gets under the article of the Criminal Code...

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11739 time=1667908835 user_id=171]
There is some law obliging to sex in marriage?
[/quote] And is (except as in the Muslim countries) forbidding?

[quote=MGK post_id=11738 time=1667908684 user_id=1477]
Marriage means a sexual relationship, exceptions only in some musulmnsky countries where for Shiites marriage from 9 years is allowed.
[/quote]

There now again send the Muslim
Article that was not about them...
Though what
In the same place somewhere is also 9

[quote=MGK post_id=11738 time=1667908684 user_id=1477]
Marriage means a sexual relationship
[/quote]
Where did you read it?
There is some law obliging to sex in marriage?

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11732 time=1667906487 user_id=171]
Probably on the words " as an exceptional case to marry to children from 14 to 18 years " it be not necessary to turn

As well as that if to read the law and law enforcement, that is unpleasant for you
It is possible for Braque... and here sex to 16 all the same is impossible...
Well it of course should be read... dropped down for you also
And yes to read the law, but not article... and the law nevertheless is higher than article in the newspaper...
[/quote] Braque means a sexual relationship, exceptions only in some musulmnsky countries where for Shiites marriage from 9
But a sesualny relationship only from the moment of achievement of puberty.
Though his some communities just also establish for girls as 9
Proceed from this that Mohamed married one of свох just when by her it was executed 9
Generally madam studies you studies and studies as завещл great Lenin. :read:

it is good that you consist in a relationship with the son)

[quote=MGK post_id=11728 time=1667902050 user_id=1477]
And you know that in modern Russia it is possible to marry legally in 14 years?
https://........./social/2015/10/23/zhenitba-v-14-let-rossiyskie-regiony-odobryayut.html
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[/quote]

Probably on the words " as an exceptional case to marry to children from 14 to 18 years " it be not necessary to turn

As well as that if to read the law and law enforcement, that is nuance, unpleasant for you...
It is possible for Braque... and here sex to 16 all the same is impossible...
Well it of course should be read... dropped down for you also
And yes to read the law, but not article... and the law nevertheless is higher than article in the

Yes from the same article "three quarters of extra-early marriages break up to a line"...
Too probably it isn't so important as the

https://www.mk.ru/social/2015/10/23/zhenitba-v-14-let-rossiyskie-regiony-odobryayut.html


Already 26 regions of the country allowed to marry [spoiler= Article] as an exceptional case to children from 14 to 18 years – the Arkhangelsk region leading by the number of children's pregnancies among girls of 14-15 years became the last it. Earlier this region tried to cover a sin with change of the federal legislation, and suggested to lower officially age of consent countrywide. So far residents of Arkhangelsk weren't supported, but not stopped trying.

The law in Russia designated age of consent of 18 years – same he (or even above) in the majority of the developed countries of the world. However, Article 13 of our Family code allows decrease in age of consent by local governments up to 16 years for good reasons – among them there are pregnancy, departure abroad, military service, etc. However in some regions of the country it is already possible to marry also from 14 years – there local authorities, exercising the right, adopted the laws allowing to consider a question individually at the top level (personally the governor) and to authorize a children's wedding. 14-year-old grooms and brides can undersign not only for such regions as Chechnya and Adygea, but also for the Moscow region, Vologda, Kaluga, Tyumen, etc. Periodically this or that region suggests to nominate a problem to federal level and to officially reduce age of consent in the Russian Federation – at first up to 16 years, and there – as will go …

Anyway, young Romeo and Juliette who began to live family life are a lot of:in 2014, for example, Rosstat counted about one thousand newlyweds among young men and several times more among

The chief of staff of the Duma CPRF faction Nina Ostanina says that he doesn't support decrease in age of consent, but offers nevertheless age at which the governor of the region can personally resolve a wedding, having penetrated into a situation individually, to lower up to 14 years:

- I am one of coauthors of the amendment to the Family code which the Duma approved, but didn't support the Federation Council. I emphasize that I don't support early marriages, but I don't see sense to suppress a problem, to produce lonely mothers, to destroy the loving couples, sending the young man of the girl who expects a baby, in prison for pedophilia … Thousands of marriages where any of couple has age up to 18 years, are registered annually!

But the member of the committee of the Federation Council on social policy, the chairman of the All-Russian social movement Mothers of Russia Valentina Petrenko categorically minds any attempts to hand over positions:

- Three quarters of extra-early marriages break up, and successful childbirth in 14-15 years – not criterion! Early sex life and the birth of the child lead to hormonal treatment in 30 years, to fast aging in 40 years … An incident in Krasnoyarsk where the young man of 22 years went to prison for pedophilia was recently violently discussed, and his 14-year-old girlfriend remained with the child – all felt sorry for couple and the young man, but really he didn't understand that he has sex with the 13-year-old child?!

- I don't understand why in a number of regions inflate this problem, – the chief physician of policlinic No. 220 and the deputy of the Moscow City Duma Vera Shastina considers. - Optimum age for marriage – what is optimum for the first pregnancy – from 20 to 30 years. And it is very bad when hormonal maturing advances personal development. I mind in general any stir of this subject – it isn't necessary to dement youth, speaking about figure 14 of years which they will apprehend taken out of a context! Legislators, touching upon this subject, give a false message to young people that they are ready to meet requirements of them and generate unhealthy surge in sexual activity! [/spoiler]

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Though for you even this article not strongly will help...

You began to accustom the daughter from 11 years to the men's advantage...
Real... Loving... father...

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11718 time=1667888320 user_id=171]
Though I understand that for you it is not
I speshivat and you answered that not a supporter of similar...
Just in my opinion support from the fan of juvenile children will be not really pleasant to you.
[/quote] And is known to you that in modern Russia it is possible to marry legally in 14 years?
https://........./social/2015/10/23/zhenitba-v-14-let-rossiyskie-regiony-odobryayut.html
In the link replace dots with the website of Moskovsky Komsomolets mk.py with Latin

the interesting story a .prodolzheniye will be??

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , don't listen to anybody... do as you consider correct. but not вовред surrounding

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] ,

Yes...
Entirely and completely I recognize the words [ref] [/ref] ,

In questions of an incest and pedophilia he is a
As I began to attract own daughter from 11 years to a sexual relationship. I showed her the men's

And somewhere between 11 and 12 I showed to the baby what is sex alive.
I invited the prostitute and I fucked with her in the face of the child... probably that the girl got used...

And with 13 already I fucked the

[quote=MGK post_id=7964 time=1660732133 user_id=1477]
When the daughter was about 11 years old noticed that she began to spy, began to create situations when it was convenient to it to see everything.
Plus began to undress to a goal when I bathed her.
Where in half a year she exorcized that to me, began to ask as as, then I caused one of the constant whores and for surcharge fucked her at the daughter what that, so to speak close up saw everything.
When next day I bathed the daughter she took me for a dick a hand and began to jerk off, then licked.
After that I suggested to go to a bed and licked it.
From this day we began to have oral sex nearly an every day, in 12 at her began monthly and it began to ask
Send to the doctor to her picked up tablets under a pretext strong menstrual pains, contraceptive tablets kill these pains so it didn't cause suspicion.
And in 13 years she told that or I will begin to have with her sex, or will give somebody, then I э also tore the virgin.
Stekh of a time we seksitsya regularly.
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[quote=MGK post_id=11714 time=1667861376 user_id=1477]
Pay attention to Katerinu68, she spurs maxims as on a
At the same time doesn't remember - doesn't understand, or doesn't wish to remember-understand that all restrictions for an incest are introduced not by the nature and
And historically not long ago.
[/quote]

And I recognize it...
Entirely and completely...
I don't understand as it is possible to stack children in a bed...
For me nevertheless there are borders and inviolability of the

And for [ref] [/ref] to have sex with children... it is
And it isn't important that his own daughter 13 years were... he already with 11 began to train her for "special love of the father".

But besides
It is a pity but such people nevertheless meet in



Though I understand that for you it is not
I asked and you answered that not a supporter of similar...
Just in my opinion support from the fan of juvenile children will be not really pleasant to you...

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11570 time=1667602322 user_id=2632]
About the rest, I am ready to tell
[/quote]

Do you have a taboo with it in intim? How often you are engaged? You are protected? Hesitated?

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11641 time=1667726612 user_id=2632]
My frigidity evaporated, hardly he should have learned my body. I will never forget those emotions which I experienced that night! We with the son broke off certain sides, and were lost in these feelings.
[/quote] BlackFox, That someone didn't test it when doesn't understand you.
Pay attention to Katerinu68, she spurs maxims as on a
At the same time doesn't remember - doesn't understand, or doesn't wish to remember-understand that all restrictions for an incest are introduced not by the nature and
And historically not long ago.
I am sure as you had men, and your son had women, but you can't compare sex to anybody of them with sex with дург the friend.

The mentality can turn also a positive side and even concerning health, sex cures even an ankolgiya and soul. Maybe I bent not clear for many readers, it is a lot of personal emotions, on this subject, but from an orgasm, joy, and happiness nothing bad will occur, the main thing not to submit the relationship on for display, you love and be loved and time will show.

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I will try briefly. At me was not long in due time [url=viewtopic.php? t=385] sex with mother. [/url] It very much helped me. I very much am grateful to her...... Now. To the son 13. 3 years of fight against a neuroblastoma. Now 2 years remission. We with pleasure observed with the wife on a morning stoyachok. 2 times I found it behind viewing of a porno, didn't abuse and on the contrary he calmed it was very much frightened. I think I frigged. Jeunet didn't speak. I promised that it is a secret. The notion of compulsion that sex cures, I want to bring to sex with the son the wife. I told her a story about the (allegedly) former acquaintance, later about a dream where she has sex with the son, palmed off article about healing by sex, but a bestolka. Even on the contrary, I heard so much...... To those. To talk on a straight line not option. At the beginning of me it didn't get, at first there was an idea, then fight against themselves in respect of jealousy and huge desire to help the son, I believe what will help him. and now released and even excites. In total like I I am sick too.

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11689 time=1667834134 user_id=2632]
And therefore, it is only possible to assume and be convinced for a certain number of percent.
[/quote]
Here and I about the same...
Confidence not 100%aya guarantee.

[ref] Polosaty_Kot [/ref] .

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11689 time=1667834134 user_id=2632]
I don't know whether there were in the world psychologists who completely agreed in opinion.
[/quote]
"Ask two psychologists, receive three different opinions. And if one of them graduated from Harvard, then four."

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11674 time=1667807886 user_id=171]
And the fact that the psychology approves the return probably not an argument for the words " I know "
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Time you are grounded in this case, have to know that psychology psychology discord. I don't know whether there were in the world psychologists who completely agreed in opinion. And therefore, it is only possible to assume and be convinced for a certain number of percent.

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11654 time=1667736773 user_id=2632]
That is, in your understanding if we break one ban, then others automatically don't take place to be?
Curiously.
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You rewrite my
I wrote that they aren't so significant, but not "don't take place to be".

And it not my
It is

If it is possible to transfer one of the strongest restrictions to the category "and it is normal".
The others aren't so significant as earlier.
I emphasize... lose a part of force, not as you wrote "don't take place to be".

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[quote=BlackFox post_id=11654 time=1667736773 user_id=2632]
In my case guarantee. I don't even know that my son can change so that will even think of similar.
Though he also stepped through an incest taboo, him it "is impossible" and "льзя" remained the same.
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Do you guarantee than?
Words " I know "?

And the fact that the psychology approves the return probably not an argument for the words " I know ".

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[quote=BlackFox post_id=11654 time=1667736773 user_id=2632]
Yes, I level. He already "left" both mother and the wife, he in it has an experience.
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Well...
Conditions are identical...

What to leave just mother and to live with someone...
That to leave mother + the woman + the mistress + also

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[quote= Vlad1994 post_id=11659 time=1667754757 user_id=462]
BlackFox, Katerina68, you masked and you give yourself for BlackFox? The syllable and a manner of communication, seem to me, are very similar. Yes? I guessed?
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I am afraid to upset, but isn't present. [ref] BlackFox [/ref] , not mine
Within the forum I quite have those someone comes.

And there isn't a lot of free time that... to compose...
And when nevertheless is, I will give him to the work in respect of the

But the history [ref] BlackFox [/ref] , becomes everything... more entertainingly...

As wrote what is possible will switch, or just to perceive, for example the brother sister and the sister and the wife and it is normal, nobody denies that the
As well mother though doesn't exclude that can be perceived really and it is correct that they are relatives, nobody will change and someone just
gets, as call in a bed, not by name, and mother, or the son take me.

Here when I met the colleague when not some, switched, we are colleagues, the girlfriend played more better that we have labor relations and everything,
plus somewhere for her I the son was, on age and in real that is where a difference of 15 and more years, almost mother and the son, also friends were and also
And it is possible different to have relations and in parallel doesn't disturb.
Besides I of course didn't ask, and I for you the son somewhere, isn't excluded,
that brought her that pseudo a

About the relationship I don't remember, I remember somehow lived without father and I began to look as on the girl, it was pleasant later that she in stockings, I found somehow
house condoms, I remember at the dacha, I undressed, but the grandmother told turn away, after in the south, I took off a brassiere, but I saw later that
I look, somehow in the same place noted, thought will come and I will try can a kiss, but fell asleep, then was like nobody at her and it is a pity it didn't turn out,

[ref] Vlad1994 of [/ref] , didn't think that it is possible to call us similar.
We with Katerinoy68 two absolutely different persons. And it seems to me how many we wouldn't discuss, we won't come to something to the general, and we will agree everyone to differ/>

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[ref] Gricha [/ref] , on the person to me to liking other completion of process. :oops:

[quote= Vlad1994 post_id=11659 time=1667754757 user_id=462]
[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , Katerina68, you masked and you give yourself for BlackFox? The syllable and a manner of communication, seem to me, are very similar. Yes? I guessed?
[/quote] In a point) communicates with itself, the mental disorder is available.

[ref] BlackFox [/ref] , Katerina68, you masked and you give yourself for BlackFox? The syllable and a manner of communication, seem to me, are very similar. Yes? I guessed?

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11653 time=1667735058 user_id=171]
I correctly understood everything … You don't read …
The sense is that time you allowed yourself and him to step through an incest taboo. That for him thereby you depreciated the idea of admissible age and consent per se. And your confidence in what he so will make is a
It is elementary psychology.
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That is, in your understanding if we break one ban, then others automatically don't take place to be?
Curiously.

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11653 time=1667735058 user_id=171]
It about
Once you you also didn't think of similar / didn't think, but as a result made...
Now you are sure that he won't step through any
Except the words " I am sure " there are some guarantees?
Confidence not a guarantee
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In my case guarantee. I don't even know that my son can change so that will even think of similar.
Though he also stepped through an incest taboo, him it "is impossible" and "льзя" remained the same.

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11653 time=1667735058 user_id=171]
You equal conditions when between you nothing was and when between you sex and a relationship appeared
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Yes, I level. He already "left" both mother and the wife, he in it has an experience.

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11653 time=1667735058 user_id=171]
For you the value of outright lies and imagination at the level of a porn of stories... it is equal to real stories?
And questions concerning that someone writes it the liar or the real person, and respectively the truth it or the frank nonsense is excessive?

Originally...
Really...
Why to know the truth when there is an imagination...
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I meant that questions are excessive because and without questions clear that this outright



Don't treat a word to please to the judgments, such people and so more than are enough, and not only in this subject, and in all out of this forum.

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11610 time=1667674787 user_id=2632]
You misunderstood me, or I said not as wanted.
I meant that it will be their right when two of them are able fully to be responsible for the acts. That is, having reached age of majority.
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I correctly understood everything … You don't read …
The sense is that time you allowed yourself and him to step through an incest taboo. That for him thereby you depreciated the idea of admissible age and consent per se. And your confidence in what he so will make is a
It is elementary

[quote=BlackFox post_id=11610 time=1667674787 user_id=2632]
It is absolutely other case. I became interested in the son as the man when he was 21 years old. Be at me at that time present outlook, I didn't begin to offend, as well as wouldn't begin to think of it in the sexual plan to his majority. And only after that, if I learned about his interest me as the woman, only then I would think of it, taking a set of other nuances in attention.
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It about
Once you you also didn't think of similar / didn't think, but as a result made...
Now you are sure that he won't step through any
Except the words " I am sure " there are some guarantees?
Confidence not a

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[quote=BlackFox post_id=11610 time=1667674787 user_id=2632]
I already wrote that he was married. What follows from that he left me, and we perfectly coped with it. He was happy with the wife, and I was happy that he has the family. At them it didn't turn out, so happens, and at that time, about ours with him more close relations there was no speech also.
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Do you equal conditions when between you nothing was and when between you sex and a relationship appeared?

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[quote=BlackFox post_id=11633 time=1667724556 user_id=2632]
I understand your mistrust. Not only here, but also everywhere there are a lot of stories which raise a set of questions, main of which - who exactly wrote them? Though in most cases, these questions superfluous.
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For you the value of outright lies and imagination at the level of a porn of stories... it is equal to real stories?
And questions concerning that someone writes it the liar or the real person, and respectively the truth it or the frank nonsense is excessive?

Originally...
Really...
Why to know the truth when there is an imagination...

[ref] strannik [/ref] ,
Very pleasant, when you are considered courageous, but not the pervert who tempted the son and takes away from him

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[ref] to Vlad1994 of [/ref] , me was told about it by my friend who slept with the son too (at that time, I already knew about it). She suggested me not to miss such chance and to feel these

Her son accidentally came across materials a sozherzhaniye incest which he found in the laptop of my son. Having been delighted that his best friend shares his sympathies and passions, he accurately at first talked to him on this subject, and then to the

We for the first time overslept at once after that conversation. My son just needed a little time to digest

How it was solved on it? I think, about it it is necessary to ask it. But as I always considered, it just accepted it and safely decided to go all the way.