An anonymous forum about the problem of incest

I was abused by a friend of the family

I was 9or so when it started and continued through till he died I was 19 when he died.

My parents wen way for the 25 wedding anniversary and left me with him for 3 months , I was around 14or15 he used me morning n nite for weekends was on n off all day I wasn't aloud to wear anything at the weekend

I began to fuck my sister when I was 12

Me with sister I was 13 she was 8 we slept in the same room just happened and has carried on ever since

never had

Olin 19aastane kui sõjaväkke läksin, siis sain oma ema nikkuda.

I am 25 years old, from 18 years began to fuck with my family

Мне было 10, сестре 7

Estonian: Mina olin 21.aastane kui ajasin 52.aastasel oma emal jalad laiali ja lakkusin ta putsi

See kirjutis on tõeline. Estonian.

Teenisin sõjaväeaega Baltikumis. Ema tuli mulle kaugelt külla ja tõi söödavat kaasa. Sain kolmeks päevaks linnaloa. Teadsin et ema võtab vahest ka alkoholi aga seda pole kaasa toonud. Ma ütlesin talle et lasen ühe pudeli viina tuua ja ema pikapeale nõustus. Olime hotellis ja seadsime ennast sisse esimesel päeval. Teisel päeval tegin emale matka ja võtsin ka pudeli kaasa. Jõudsime ilusa jõekääru kohta ja istusime. Võtsin pudeli lahti aga ema pole algul tahtnud aga siiski võttis. Kui olime poole pudelist ära võtnud siis ema nägu juba õhetas. Tõmbasin enda embusse aga ta ainult itsitas nagu noor tüdruk. Suudlesin ema kaela ja ütlesin et mul on hea meel et siin oled. Ema on muide 52.aastane aga väga kõbus. Ütlesin talle et armastan sind ja suudlesin teda. Sain kohe suudlusest aru et ta tahab keppi saada. Võtsime veel mõned lonksu viina, suudlesin uuesti teda palju kirgliku alt. Ema põimus oma käed ümber minu kaela ja värises üleni ning tundsin ta kätt minu riista paitama. Asi oli selge, ajasin kohe oma käe talle jalgevahele ja tundsin ta niisket putsi. Küsisin veel et kas annad täna oma pojale nikku ja istud minu suupeale. Ja, ja, ja kostis ta ja istus minu suupeale, tõmbasin ta püksisääre eemale ja lakkusin ta putsi. Olime veel kaua seal, nikkusin teda igatpidi aga peresse ei lasknud panna. Ema oli purjus, kutsusin takso järgi ja läksime hotelli tagasi. Need olid minu rõõmupäevad

[ref] Sls [/don't have ref] , of course. On the contrary it to be pleasant to me when such into place put. And that slightly that to each word dokalebyvatsya and when you begin to carp at them that they begin to dodge. Maybe still we will re-educate and will become the normal man

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11750 time=1667913999 user_id=171]
[quote=MGK post_id=11749 time=1667913695 user_id=1477]
I tell:
Qualification and experience were sufficient.
[/quote]
I and understood...
16 summer professional with experience and the top
It is a pity that by 16 years it is a maximum school and school for children...
[/quote] And where I told something about the top skills?
I told that I had sufficient, and it not one and too.
Madam, learn to read but not to finish thinking at last.

The people, to you didn't put on with young children quarrels and to try to prove them something?
Well saw the little fool, well pass by. He as a monkey - empty bryaknt, and tomorrow will wake up already will forget where that he wrote...

[quote=MGK post_id=11749 time=1667913695 user_id=1477]
I tell:
Qualification and experience were sufficient.
[/quote]
I and understood...
16 summer professional with experience and the top
It is a pity that by 16 years it is a maximum school and school for children...

I tell:
Qualification and experience were sufficient.

[quote=MGK post_id=11743 time=1667909658 user_id=1477]
Besides about without experience, qualification, etc.
These are your imaginations.
[/quote]

So tell that for experience such?
That for qualification by 16

And that on age at you the maximum is a school and art/musical school for
No more than that...

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11741 time=1667909170 user_id=171]
I didn't doubt...
It is difficult to think up work part time for 16 a letka without education and without experience and qualification that on 130 rubles paid him...
[/quote] Besides about without experience, qualification, etc.
These are your imaginations.

[quote=MGK post_id=11740 time=1667909025 user_id=1477]
No, I won't tell because:
1. It doesn't belong to a topic of conversation.
2. You not the tax inspector, and not my finasovy adviser.
[/quote]

I didn't doubt...
It is difficult to think up work part time for 16 a letka without education and without experience and qualification that on 130 rubles paid him...

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11735 time=1667907882 user_id=171]
So can tell what paid you 130 rubles for?
16 summer boy could have both what experience and what education?
[/quote] No, I won't tell because:
1. It doesn't belong to a topic of conversation.
2. You not the tax inspector, and not my finasovy adviser.

[quote=MGK post_id=11736 time=1667908228 user_id=1477] First it is sure by [/quote]

[quote=MGK post_id=11734 time=1667907570 user_id=1477]
I wrote that the judge can, and as a rule reduces age of consent for the girl up to 14 years.
[/quote]

[quote=MGK post_id=11524 time=1667474552 user_id=1477]
I live in the country where normal age of consent for girls of 14 years, and with the permission of the judge 12.
[/quote]

[quote=MGK post_id=11736 time=1667908228 user_id=1477]
You learn to read not only
And not only.
[/quote]

So it even not from
And even not I...

These are two of your
Ridiculously already...

Can at least once you will read them?

In one message "normal age of consent for girls of 14 years, and with the permission of the judge 12. "
"I wrote in another that the judge can, and as a rule reduces age of consent for the girl up to 14 years."

The next jamb with figures also you pretend that it is absent...

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11735 time=1667907882 user_id=171]
Are sure?
And if trifle to refresh memory?
"normal age of consent for girls of 14 years " and with the permission of the judge 12. "
[/quote] First is sure, secondly for that matter that is the countries and regions where the minimum age for women not
You learn to read not only
And not only.

[quote=MGK post_id=11734 time=1667907570 user_id=1477]
You are definitely not able to read.
I wrote that the judge can, and as a rule reduces age of consent for the girl up to 14 years.
[/quote]

Are sure?
And if trifle to refresh memory?
"normal age of consent for girls of 14 years " and with the permission of the judge 12. "

[quote=MGK post_id=11524 time=1667474552 user_id=1477]
The girl, I don't live in Russia long ago, I live in the country where normal age of consent for girls of 14 years, and with the permission of the judge 12.
[/quote]

Though it is probably even a double typo yes?
Again...

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[quote=MGK post_id=11734 time=1667907874 user_id=1477]
It you claim that without experience and
I wrote nothing about experience, kind of work and necessary
I only wrote that work was contractual, and I earned much less than those with someone worked.
Earnings from 700 to 1000 - 1200 rubles in crew were quite everyday
And still, 8 hours in crew no someone worked, 6 at most.
[/quote]

So can tell what paid you 130 rubles for?
16 summer boy could have both what experience and what education?

And everything everything you beat that around the bush...
I received I I received and I could more...

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11717 time=1667887488 user_id=171]
You accurately wrote that you live not in Russia and also it isn't in other countries of the former USSR that the age of consent was established from 14 years.
[/quote] you are definitely not able to read.
I wrote that the judge can, and as a rule reduces age of consent for the girl up to 14
From this follows that the usual age of consent is more senior.
To stat, in Estonia the judge can reduce age of consent up to 15 years, and in some regions of Russia, for example in the Arkhangelsk region to 14.
I more than once spoke to you, read attentively, and study a question about which write.
Then you will cease over and over again gets into a mess/>

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[quote=katerina68 post_id=11730 time=1667905173 user_id=171]
Your statement that 16 summer boy without experience without qualification without education and less than for a half of the working day...
[/quote] It you claim that without experience and
I wrote nothing about experience, kind of work and necessary
I only wrote that work was contractual, and I earned much less than those with someone worked.
Earnings from 700 to 1000 - 1200 rubles in crew were quite everyday
And still, 8 hours in crew no someone worked, 6 at most
And I am not a musician, and not a hodozhnik though work and was connected with drawing.
And yes I graduated from art school.

[quote=MGK post_id=11729 time=1667902741 user_id=1477]
You have gallyutsionation. in 8 at me I didn't stand yet.
[/quote]

At me?
Your message that you with mother seksitsya since 1970/>
What at least means intimate caressed even if to exclude that seksitsya this distorted word sex

[quote=MGK post_id=7071 time=1659171682 user_id=1477]
I didn't find, and did, at first it, especially on дачщ when spied as she changes clothes.
Then when steel it seksitsya already in open.
But long ago it was, we with since 1970 and up to her death in 2015 seksitsya.
[/quote]

And here your age in 60

[quote=MGK post_id=9834 time=1663867573 user_id=1477]
You won't believe, but for 60 years I quite do without toilet bowl.
[/quote]

[quote=MGK post_id=9243 time=1663063255 user_id=1477]
I am 60 years old, from them 25 I live not in the Russian Federation, and I write in the basic not in Russian.
[/quote]

To you 8 years were in 1970/>

But you can write again that it is a typo between 1970 and 1976/>
Truth of key 0 and 6 still even not a

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[quote=MGK post_id=11729 time=1667902741 user_id=1477]
You not attentively read, in 14 years I earned 40r in a month, in 16 years 130r in a month, in 20 much more, now it is even more.
[/quote]

What do I inattentively read?

Your statement that 16 summer boy without experience without qualification without education and less than for a half of the working
I received in terms of 1 работачас time in two more than even people with experience by qualification and


Not...
I just attentively read it...
And just that on what your history also stumbled...

So you once again the mania to exaggerations curled slightly...

That the fact that you use even double
And it taking into account the fact that you live not in Russia and that you have all this
But yes... without double VPN that in any way.



That baize that 99 of 100 mothers with sisters that visit in prison of sons/brothers fuck...
You remember as you then on a question of that as your acquaintance got so intimate more information... and whether confuses you so absurd
Also began to argue on absolutely other subject that the commandant and the chief of prison are different positions, and someone there still the third...

And with 130 rubles too most left...
Wrote that 16 summer boy without experience without qualification without education and less than received 130

And now you get out...
That attempts of substitution of the scale of charges operating in the USSR on the minimum wage rate
That that you creative person
Really... 16 summer musician, that I collected the whole halls...
Or not isn't present... great artist... what to 16 years I drew so well that his works in great demand went...

Would be not present to write something in the manner:"I since 16 years worked and more or less could provide myself" There was a wish to take to the maximum...
That you are so cool that already in 16 in terms of 1 работачас received time in two more than even people with experience by qualification and education.

[quote=vika57SonLybly post_id=11715 time=1667882251 user_id=453]
MGK, you 130 earned 40. Poor got confused. The question in the blog sounded about financial independence. And to earn additionally living with parents. Eating mamkiny borsch it is not independence. And still the question was that the 16th well it is direct tempers of adult women. Especially as you esteem about the first sex of sons here. Sex the first and the description of sex well is direct professionals all. Here men visionaries. Unsatisfied in sex
[/quote] you not attentively read, in 14 years I earned 40r in a month, in 16 years 130r in a month, in 20 much more, now it is even more.
Or on yours I had to осттся on 40r in a month?
P.S.////////>
whether in 16 in a row someone managed to tempt in the zrosly
I think the initiator of sex in such cases always vysupat the

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[quote=katerina68 post_id=11717 time=1667887488 user_id=171]
You wrote that you seksitsya with mother since 1970 when to you there were 8.
[/quote] At you a gallyutsionation. in 8 at me I didn't stand yet.

[ref] Antosha [/ref] , how old are you and how many daughter?

[quote=MGK post_id=11713 time=1667860744 user_id=1477]
I already answered in 14.
If to be absolutely exact that з 2a day to 14 the anniversary
[/quote]

What did you answer?
You wrote that you seksitsya with mother since 1970 when to you was 8.
And the question was in that why it disperses from the fact that in other your message of the relation with mother in 14 only began.
Dates don't coincide. And as figures 6 and 0 aren't even near, a typo here on and.

[quote=MGK post_id=11713 time=1667860744 user_id=1477]
Thus that cooperatives began long before Gorbochyov, at him they only extended.
So коопертив could work to Gorbochyov in the system of consumer cooperation, then quit the system and to become the certain cop, and then after Gorbachev to become private
It to you proto for an example and education.
[/quote]
And what? And what that cooperatives were also in other times?
You told not just cooperative, namely on a wave of Gorbachev reorganization and
Specified time, and now you get out that mine and in other times were

[quote=MGK post_id=11713 time=1667860744 user_id=1477]
Didn't guess, work I was creative though physically it was necessary to work too.
[/quote]
Yes... it is valid... Creative
Then besides you by 16 years were the outstanding musician in conservatories acted... the truth is a pity that outstanding and known so that receive 130 rubles for evening of creative work you couldn't become yet. And for the rest idea good...
Only the curve is a pity and at the time of the USSR rests against all same scale of charges and зарплатачас for

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[quote=MGK post_id=11713 time=1667860744 user_id=1477]
On what I so solved.
[/quote]
Good answer... Therefore...
You live in other country where your tendencies to tryukhat children
But so you are afraid that you someone will find that even for two VPN you sit.

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[quote=MGK post_id=11713 time=1667860744 user_id=1477]
I on wrote that I live in the USSR, and specified the minimum age of consent in the country where I live.
And can not in the whole country but only in the province?
Or for persons of a certain etinichesky or religious affiliation?
Or on an example only on Fridays?
To you that what for this business?
And then I wrote what is authorized, but didn't write what is considered normal, here already business of everyone.
In Russia for example for homosexuality don't put any more, but whether it is considered normal?
[/quote]

You accurately wrote that you live not in Russia and also it isn't in other countries of the former USSR that the age of consent was established from 14
And other countries too that as you said "normal age of consent for girls of 14 years" i.e. established by the
There are exceptions with the permission of the judge, but not "normal age of consent".

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[quote=MGK post_id=11713 time=1667860744 user_id=1477]
And maybe we are imperious to you that from where the nobility?
[/quote]

And it at you already excessive

[quote=MGK post_id=11713 time=1667860744 user_id=1477]
And not to you to solve this and me, or I have to ask permissions you?
Behind what and on what don't tell?
[/quote]

Then that words about double VPN already in itself sound silly.
And what not threefold? More reliably...
Or in general would write that for a forum you are connected to the Internet in accidental places and not registered image that didn't trace you.

And yes here just this yours is appropriate
[quote=MGK post_id=11524 time=1667474552 user_id=1477]
And excuse that paranoia not that smells slightly, and just stinks.
[/quote]

[ref] [/ref] , you 130 earned 40. Poor got confused. The question in the blog sounded about financial independence. And to earn additionally living with parents. Eating mamkiny borsch it is not independence. And still the question was that the 16th well it is direct tempers of adult women. Especially as you esteem about the first sex of sons here. Sex the first and the description of sex well is direct professionals all. Here men visionaries. Unsatisfied in sex

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11706 time=1667854800 user_id=171]
that you, probably, that not joining when at you with mother a relationship in 8 years or in 14 began
You explained with a typo between 1970 and 1976.

And cast the fact that keys 0 and 6 aren't even near neither on that nor on other
Has no
I told "a pier a typo" and enough.

It agrees...
Quite silly justification.
[/quote]
I already answered in 14.
If to be absolutely exact that з 2a day to 14 the anniversary
[quote=katerina68 post_id=11706 time=1667854800 user_id=171]
And the law by the way just also regulated the tariff rate for работачас
By the principle this work stands up so much for 1 hour
And further already send

Qualification, for example...
But you have that, probably, the highest was... by 16 years that... not otherwise... [/quote]
Rather unique.
As well as someone with me worked for all.
Also we worked only under contracts, there was in the USSR such system of
As I worked less ostalny I and получак many times less.
[quote=katerina68 post_id=11706 time=1667854800 user_id=171]
And here Stalin? You wrote that at the time of Gorbachev and his wave of
You specified the time period of history in accuracy... Gorbachev... reorganization and
And it is 1986-87. and before the collapse of the USSR.
[/quote] thus that cooperatives began long before Gorbochyov, at him they only extended.
So коопертив could work to Gorbochyov in the system of consumer cooperation, then quit the system and to become the certain cop, and then after Gorbachev to become private
It to you proto for an example and education.
[quote=katerina68 post_id=11706 time=1667854800 user_id=171]
You, probably, a steel founder were. Where hard physical activity because of a heat and weight of work...
[/quote] didn't guess, work was creative though physically it was necessary to work too.
[quote=katerina68 post_id=11706 time=1667854800 user_id=171]
And why tell for God's sake you double VPN is necessary even?
Why slightly to shift the data?
[/quote] On what I so solved.
[quote=katerina68 post_id=11706 time=1667854800 user_id=171]
You wrote that you not in the territory of the Russian Federation and that there where do you live in the nature of things sex with children...
[/quote] I on wrote that I live in the USSR, and specified the minimum age of consent in the country where I live.
And can not in the whole country but only in the province?
Or for persons of a certain etinichesky or religious affiliation?
Or on an example only on Fridays?
To you that what for this business?
And then I wrote what is authorized, but didn't write what is considered normal, here already business of everyone.
In Russia for example for homosexuality don't put any more, but whether it is considered normal?
[quote=katerina68 post_id=11706 time=1667854800 user_id=171]
And consequently acts of the Russian Federation over you aren't imperious, as well as inquiries from the specialist of services of the Russian Federation to the country of your accommodation.
[/quote] And maybe are imperious to you that from where the nobility?
[quote=katerina68 post_id=11706 time=1667854800 user_id=171]
And you have no reasonable reason to use even double VPN and to mask the data.
[/quote] And this not to you to solve and me, or I have to ask permissions you?
Behind what and on what don't tell?

[quote=MGK post_id=11704 time=1667850244 user_id=1477]
And that you get into a mess over and over again.
[/quote]

It you, probably, that not joining when at you with mother a relationship in 8 years or in 14 began
You explained with a typo between 1970 and 1976.

And cast the fact that keys 0 and 6 aren't even near neither on that nor on other
Has no
I told "a pier a typo" and enough.

It agrees...
Quite silly

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[quote=MGK post_id=11704 time=1667850244 user_id=1477]
With 16 and to 19 I studied so far I earned additionally already officially, but on sdelno contractual payment. I could earn more, but was enough for me.
[/quote]
Summer age you already finish thinking about 19.
You wrote that you already in 16 received 130

[quote=MGK post_id=11670 time=1667793751 user_id=1477]
in 16 I earned 130r in a month,
[/quote]

And at this age you at best only graduated just recently from
But yes... at the same time you for less than half of day of work... without experience... but with invaluable knowledge of secondary school
You received 130 rubles... and could even more... and if not study and full day, in general rubles hurt the 260th minimum in, 16

Don't prompt.
What it could 16 summer boy without experience without qualification without knowledge (well окромя school certainly) do?
That paid him for 1 работачас more than to the qualified people with education and with experience.

[quote=MGK post_id=11704 time=1667850244 user_id=1477]
The law regulated the minimum sum koory had to pay the teenager up to 18 years.
[/quote]

And the law by the way just also regulated the tariff rate for работачас
By the principle this work stands up so much for 1 hour
And further already send

Qualification, for example...
But you have that, probably, the highest was... by 16 years that... not otherwise...

Or unhealthy work conditions...
You, probably, a steel founder were. Where hard physical activity because of a heat and weight of
Adult strong men by the sweat of the brow, and you 16 summer fellow outdid all of them also that sum for which they for the whole day work you less than received for a half.

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[quote=MGK post_id=11704 time=1667850244 user_id=1477] And so on. [/quote]

And under "and so on" you, probably, left that with Gorbachev reorganization already absolutely missed...
As to yours 30 any more was neither Gorbachev nor his wave of reorganization nor

Here to write that "I in 30 at the very beginning of dashing the 90th did the business"...
So isn't present. It was necessary to write that you were on a wave of Gorbachev


And this in general is deprived of sense.
[quote=MGK post_id=11704 time=1667850244 user_id=1477]
Cooperatives in a system (consumer cooperation) existed in Stalin
Just as ever since and until the end of the USSR there were also private traders, for example hairdressers, doctors, dentists, photographers etc.
[/quote]

And here Stalin? You wrote that at the time of Gorbachev and his wave of
You specified the time period of history in accuracy... Gorbachev... reorganization and
And it is 1986-87. and before the collapse of the USSR.

But probably decided to argue as at the time of Stalin were some
It of course to the
Still would tell as in Imperial Russia there was something similar.
So appropriate as well as in Stalin

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[quote=MGK post_id=11704 time=1667850244 user_id=1477]
P.S.////////>
Also don't try to calculate my exact
Because I and on a forum through double VPN enter, and slightly I shift the data because to me such as you shtirlitsa moralists are what the hell for not necessary.
[/quote]

And why tell for God's sake you double VPN is necessary even?
Why slightly to shift the data?

You wrote that you not in the territory of the Russian Federation and that there where do you live in the nature of things sex with
And consequently acts of the Russian Federation over you aren't imperious, as well as inquiries from the specialist of services of the Russian Federation to the country of your

You out of the territory and acts of the Russian Federation...
And you have no reasonable reason to use even double VPN and to mask the data.

1. In the USSR generally 14 summer it wasn't necessary to work them at all didn't hire at all.
I not officially worked for the neighbor in shoe repair shop. Thus I earned by 40 rubles
2. In the USSR in those days when I studied at school education was 10 summer.
So I couldn't end 11 classes at all desire.
With 16 and to 19 I studied so far I earned additionally already officially but on sdelno contractual payment. I could earn more, but was enough for me.
Would earn more, there wouldn't be enough time for study.
And I was interested in study because I knew what I want to achieve
The law regulated the minimum sum which has to be paid the teenager up to 18 years.
And here maximum he didn't regulate.
Cooperatives in a system (consumer cooperation) existed in Stalin
Just as ever since and until the end of the USSR there were also private traders, for example hairdressers, doctors, dentists, photographers etc.
And so on.
You madam should study a question on which you try to write.

And that you get into a mess over and over again.
P.S.////////>
Also don't try to calculate my exact
Because I and on a forum through double VPN enter, and slightly I shift the data because to me such as you shtirlitsa moralists are what the hell for not necessary.

[quote= Vika2009 post_id=1635 time=1640336281 user_id=268]
Me in the camp the man adult to the .ena of 10 years was
[/quote] Vick's hello. you can write to me...

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was with the Stepfather. not at my desire since 10 years

[quote=MGK post_id=11670 time=1667793751 user_id=1477]
I began to earn additionally in 14, in 16 earned 130r in a month, it in the USSR where 160 was the average salary.
[/quote]

Taking into account the fact that in the USSR the working day for minor 16 years was limited to the law on work of minors...
As well as the fact that salary was regulated legislatively including for

That yes... 16 a letka that also 11 classes I didn't finish... the skilled and knowing worker with incomplete secondary
To him just right salary in 130 rubles when her even not all employees with experience and education received.


And 160 it was not the average salary for your 16 years in 1978, and almost a
She only in 1979 grew to 163.3 rub on average.


The document on labor protection of minors in the USSR
http://pedagogic.ru/pedenc/item/f00/s01/e0001743/index.shtml

Salary on the industries and on
https://top-rf.ru/investitsii/581-srednyaya-zarplata.html

Salaries in the USSR
https://www.russian-money.ru/articles/zarplaty-i-ceny-1970-1979#:~:text= Srednyaya%20zarplata%20v%20gorodakh%20sostavlyala, otlichnikov%20stipendiya%20sostavlyala%2065%20rubley .

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[quote=MGK post_id=11670 time=1667793751 user_id=1477]
and in 30 on a wave of cooperation and Gorbochyovsky reorganization I opened the business.
[/quote]

And as you claim that to you 60.
That you were born in +/-1962

And 30 years to you were only in 1992/>
That already even not USSR and not Gorbachev and not cooperation and
Reorganization wave... already behind...

During which board and during the wave of reorganization and cooperation mentioned by you to you was of 24-25
As Gorbachev came to the power only in 1985/>
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorbachyov, _Михаил_Сергеевич#:~:text= Edinstvennyy%20v%20istorii%20prezident%20sssr, %2s%20vladel%2010%20%25%20aktsiy%20izdaniya .
And only in 1986-87 began to appear
http://lhistory.ru/statyi/kooperativnyj-bum
And up to 29 years for a year of disintegration of the Soviet

And if you refer to times of the 90th...
That "on a wave of cooperation and Gorbochyovsky reorganization" too out of place.
As it is already absolutely other era and Gorbachev and his wave of reorganization... behind...

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[quote=MGK post_id=11670 time=1667793751 user_id=1477]
Also believe I isn't lonely in my generation at all.
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I trust...
Whole forum of such.

[quote=vika57SonLybly post_id=11546 time=1667533234 user_id=453]
of course of course. In 16 years it is financially independent and I achieved everything. Well a super alpha the male is direct. And in 30 in general likely God.
[/quote] I began to earn additionally in 14, in 16 earned 130r in a month, it in the USSR where 160 was the average
In 28 I defended the dissertation, and in 30 on a wave of cooperation and Gorbochyovsky reorganization I opened the
Also believe I isn't lonely in my generation at all.

It agrees. In the USSR children also matures were

[quote=vika57SonLybly post_id=11602 time=1667662635 user_id=453]
Also I won't see. Because there are no such. For you a concept it is independent likely very narrow. It is independent it not when went to earn additionally. And when went to work-. And when worked I went not to guzzle to a mask with the folder and-. I bought the apartment too. But not by means of parents
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About today's Russia I don't know, I there wasn't many years. And in the West it quite in the nature of things. And at the time of the USSR it was full of those someone, having graduated from school, went to study in higher education institution as other end of the country, with pleasure tearing off all communications with parents as that help which parents would render, just didn't justify need to reconcile with their hyper guardianship, hypocrisy or obscurantism.

Also I won't see. Because there are no such. For you a concept it is independent likely very narrow. It is independent it not when went to earn additionally. And when went to work-. And when worked I went not to guzzle to a mask with the folder and-. I bought the apartment too. But not by means of parents

[quote=vika57SonLybly post_id=11546 time=1667533234 user_id=453]
of course of course. In 16 years it is financially independent and I achieved everything. Well a super alpha the male is direct. And in 30 in general likely God.
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Vika, that you knew, such people - early developed and achieved everything independently - NOT alpha males. They are too independent to bother gregarious hierarchy, and are too non-standard in general to live stayno. And if you such didn't see, it doesn't mean that they don't exist.

[quote=Polosaty_Kot post_id=11522 time=1667465642 user_id=2145]
[quote=vika57SonLybly post_id=11517 time=1667444728 user_id=453]
well can't very young bring the mistress is more senior than himself. It him is got
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That is you, without knowing anything about the person at all, essentially you consider him emotionally unripe until to him it was executed the X years? Well so it not always so. When to him was 16, to me was 35, and allow to assure you, he was already an adult, independent, independent person (even financially independent at living parents). Naturally, there are exceptions and in the opposite direction - is 40-year-old with emotional development at the level of school students (such, alas, much more).
[/quote] of course of course. In 16 years it is financially independent and I achieved everything. Well a super alpha the male is direct. And in 30 in general likely God.

[ref] Knowledge [/ref] , at you really was an incest?
It is possible in more detail?

[quote=vika57SonLybly post_id=11517 time=1667444728 user_id=453]
well can't very young bring the mistress is more senior than himself. It him is got
[/quote]
That is you, without knowing anything about the person at all, essentially you consider him emotionally unripe until to him it was executed the X years? Well so it not always so. When to him was 16, to me was 35, and allow to assure you, he was already an adult, independent, independent person (even financially independent at living parents). Naturally, there are exceptions and in the opposite direction - is 40-year-old with emotional development at the level of school students (such, alas, much more).

[quote=Polosaty_Kot post_id=11496 time=1667341910 user_id=2145]
[quote=katerina68 post_id=11488 time=1667333565 user_id=171]
Certainly one or two years it is not an essential
But in case of a difference in 5-6 years already yes.

There now 16 summer boys that still are played childish sports and even secondary school wasn't left in any way...
Don't pull on alpha males of tempers...
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[b] don't pull the Majority [/b]. But it doesn't mean that nobody pulls.
It is possible to ask about it, for example, Emmanuel Macron who in 15 years got acquainted with the 39-year-old future wife, and in 18 I began to live with her together. Very much to me it is doubtful that they there specially waited for his 18 anniversary to go to bed/>
Well or, for example, the son of the classmate of my father, the talented jazz musician from St. Petersburg which at high school brought to itself(himself) the mistress for 8 or 9 years is more senior...
[/quote] well can't very young bring the mistress is more senior than itself. It him is got

[quote=Polosaty_Kot post_id=11496 time=1667341910 user_id=2145]
мманюэля Macron who in 15 years got acquainted with the 39-year-old future wife and in 18 I began to live with her together. Very much to me it is doubtful that they there specially waited for his 18 anniversary to go to bed.
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And how you from the fact of acquaintance drew a conclusion that he in the 15 for her 39 was something bigger than just amusing toy?

[quote=Polosaty_Kot post_id=11496 time=1667341910 user_id=2145]
the son of the classmate of my father, the talented jazz musician from St. Petersburg which at high school brought to itself(himself) the mistress for 8 or 9 years is more senior...
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Exactly too most.
Not he to himself got, and he was taken as an amusing animal for entertainments.

an incest and uneven-age sex with nonnative - absolutely different things
here a chat about a
if strictly to formulate, then I even, what at me with the daughter an incest I don't consider since we have no sex, only a petting

[quote=katerina68 post_id=11488 time=1667333565 user_id=171]
Certainly one or two years it is not an essential
But in case of a difference in 5-6 years already yes.

There now 16 summer boys that still are played childish sports and even secondary school wasn't left in any way...
Don't pull on alpha males of tempers...
[/quote]

[b] don't pull the Majority [/b]. But it doesn't mean that nobody pulls.
It is possible to ask about it, for example, Emmanuel Macron who in 15 years got acquainted with the 39-year-old future wife, and in 18 I began to live with her together. Very much to me it is doubtful that they there specially waited for his 18 anniversary to go to bed/>
Well or, for example, the son of the classmate of my father, the talented jazz musician from St. Petersburg which at high school brought to itself(himself) the mistress for 8 or 9 years is more senior...

[quote=doktor post_id=11484 time=1667328996 user_id=570]
And here allow won't agree. About Veronika's family we know nothing. That as there at them. Where someone what experience poiobretat it is unknown. Maybe she to her age of experience hasn't enough. And the incident for her was shock as I understood. And she didn't depart from it yet. I so understood that it is necessary to her will be uttered. Nickname so? Kept everything in itself? Excuse if in the beginning I didn't understand, I began to be rude.
[/quote] but 16 years won't be the skilled man. Though let will reconsider all porno. To boys at this age if only to terminate. They are ready to fuck everything that moves

Here completely I agree with you that on life quite so. We will look that the girl will tell. Best regards. All good night.

[quote=doktor post_id=11487 time=1667332491 user_id=570]
And most likely the girl, something keeps back. Perhaps, what was on the contrary. Not the nephew tempted her, and she is him. As option.
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If to be discharged of her

That in all without exception of cases which I happened to learn...
And in which someone told those about them wasn't filled up on what with him be a

The leading role always at more senior
For the banal reason... different weight category...
And in life experience... and in situation... and aged... and in ability to manipulate... and in all the rest.

Certainly one or two years it is not an essential
But in case of a difference in 5-6 years already yes.

There now 16 summer boys that still are played childish sports and even secondary school wasn't left in any way...
Don't pull on alpha males of

Though
Here this nonsense often meets...
It is a pity that at juvenile visionaries the mind isn't enough for something bigger.

And most likely the girl, something keeps back. Perhaps, what was on the contrary. Not the nephew tempted her, and she is him. As option.

[quote=doktor post_id=11484 time=1667328996 user_id=570]
And here allow won't agree. About Veronika's family we know nothing. That as there at them. Where someone what experience poiobretat it is unknown. Maybe she to her age of experience hasn't enough.
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Between her and the nephew nearly a decade and you want to tell that 16 have letka what to impress?
Well if it was her first time and by 25 years she still was a virgin then yes...